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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jan 15, 2010 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead?

I'm with jglynn -

Born and raised Lutheran, switched to Roman Catholic after I got married - Mrs. Mando is Catholic. I always viewed Lutherans as Catholic-lite "All the dogma, 1/3 the guilt."

I believe. Catholicism isn't the only "right" answer but it works for me.

It may not work for you and that's okay too. I'll respect differing opinions and views and frankly, I feel no need to discuss or argue why I believe one way vs. what someone else may believe (or not) - unless the discussion is mutually respectful.

The nanosecond the discussion veers off course and becomes insulting is when I will not so gently remind said individual(s) that their right to free speech ends where my eardrums begin.

Shit, just live your lives according to the goodness that you know and things will work out. Everyone knows the difference between right and wrong, it's just that some make the conscious decision to be assholes.

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Jan 15, 2010 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead?

"Everyone knows the difference between right and wrong, it's just that some make the conscious decision to be assholes."

Amen brother.

The Gospel according to Mando

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Jan 15, 2010 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead?

I'm in the jglynn / Mando Catholic camp - Catholicism works for me and my family, but I don't get upset about people that don't share my beliefs. Nor do I think that Catholicism (or Christianity) is the only way.... it's one way. Buscameby put it well - we all have our own life experiences that lead us to different insights and conclusions. Grateful Dead music for me does have spiritual power, though I'm at a loss to articulate it. It taps into something ancient and gives us a glimpse of our better selves. There, tried to articulate it, but didn't do a good job.

Back to an original point raised by the poster, Jerry made a comment in one of the interviews on the archive somthing along the lines that biblical references in the songs provide powerful imagery. He did not even hint at having any "faith" in the traditional judeo-christian manner, though. Wish I could provide the interview link, and the minute-marker for folks to hear.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 15, 2010 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead?

I think your pt about Jerry is spot on...many of us have a great deal of "western christian" stuff in us due to culture, upbringing, etc., and it can be very powerful, and good, etc., without necessarily embracing the other stuff (some of which, of course, like most anything, has some downsides to it).

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Jan 15, 2010 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead?

I agree - take Samson & Delilah (which I realize they didn't write).... something powerful about "Samson got his hands around that lion's jaw // bees made honey in the lion's head". It's simply about good overcoming evil, but it's served up effectively in a biblical context which so many can relate to, even if it's only in a cultural way. Ancient western imagery.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 15, 2010 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead?

I recall once using western christian imagery to describe something, or in response to something that happened, and a friend, a real fanatic/zealot, looked at me like it was inappropriate (ie, to reference 'god/bible/etc' if I wasn't a true believer), and I replied: "hey, if 'we' invented it, wrote it, whatever, it's 'ours' now, right?"

Now that I recall that, it sounds like the often quoted Jerry line about 'us' getting the SBDs for free, right?!

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